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Apple and Spotify have revealed their top podcasts of 2023. Here is what they do — and don’t — tell us.

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It’s that time of year again, when all your friends share their Spotify Wrapped and you (read: me) reply with your boring Apple Music Replay and nobody cares. I do also have Spotify, but my Wrapped isn’t loading, maybe because it has been crashing from overuse. I did receive a tip from acclaimed author Olivia Wolfgang-Smith that if Taylor Swift is your number one artist on Spotify “they show you a little video of her saying thanks for being a simp.”

But it’s not just about the music! The end-of-year streaming roundups also give us a glimpse into people’s podcast consumption habits. Let’s get into it.

Spotify’s and Apple’s top podcasts…

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